How to ask questions
in Linux IRC help channels
Updated: 2007-05-28
Created: 2005-04-14
Licensing and disclaimer of warranty
These are
suggestions, not rules.
Answering questions is a purely volunteer effort, for
charity, and just as you are free to ask questions, and to ask
them how you like, everybody else is similarly free to ignore
your questions or to answer them how they like.
These suggestions are meant to maximize the chances that you will
get some replies, and useful replies.
As a side note, people asking questions should always remember
that for those that offer help on IRC channels the upside is only
ethical, and there can be and there are often significant practical
downsides, on top of the time spent.
- A user or administrator question?
- Some questions are about how to use a program, or sometimes
how to do simple configuration. Some other questions however are
about how to use or configure some core system feature. The latter
usually cannot be answered in a simple, unambiguous fashion,
unless the person asking the question already understands the
topic pretty well.
Unfortunately system administration is usually intrinsically
hard and it can take one to several years of study just to learn
the concepts and terminology to discuss it properly and to
understand the answers.
System administration topics are those related for example
to: disk and filesystem configuration, driver installation,
multiple booting, network and firewall configuration, font
systems, sound libraries, DNS service, mail transport.
Most distributions have interfaces that present as options
the more accessible tasks of system administration, just like
other operating systems. This makes it easier to perform some
actions, even if it does not make any easier understanding them
or their consequences.
- Do not undertake lightly tasks beyond those
supported by these interfaces.
- Do not expect answers that make simple and easy
what is complex and difficult.
- Don't ask if you can ask a question
- Support channels are there precisely to ask questions, and
there is no need to ask permission or other introductions.
Just ask your question straight away, make it specific, give
details (up to 3-5 lines of text), and don't address them to
anybody specific.
Example of bad question: I have got a question about
browsers, can anybody help?
Example of good question: Which text based browsers have
tabbed browsing if any?
- Don't ask
does not work
type of questions
- Please state exactly what you have done and
exactly what the error message is. Programs and
computers can go wrong in very many ways, and each way
can have many very different causes.
Example of bad question: FTP does not work,
anybody know how to fix it?
Example of good question: When I connect by FTP
to ftp.kernel.org using Mozilla I get this error:
"ftp.kernel.org could not be found. Please check the
name and try again"; what possible causes there might
be?
- Don't ask
anyone/someone knows
questions
- Always ask instead direct questions about technical matters
to the channel (to nobody in particular). This is both
because such questions are dumb (answering them literally may
require global telepathy), and because the obvious aim of the
question is to find someone to be your bitch.
Help is provided by the channel, not by anybody in
particular. Don't assume anybody is there to be your
personal helper.
Example of bad question: Can anybody help with
setting up Apache?
Example of good question: Which step-by-step
Apache setup tutorial are recommended, apart from those
on Apache.org?
- Don't ask questions to someone specific
- However much you may wish to get a personal help bitch,
attempts to treat the more helpful and useful volunteers in the
channel as if they were will just drive them away.
Support is always and only provided by the channel as a
whole, and answering a question is always purely voluntary.
Addressing questions to specific people puts them under
pressure to reply, and of course you may love it, but is
counterproductive in the long term.
It is particularly counterproductive to use private
messages, which should not be sent unless explicit
permission is given.
However once someone has replied, it is quite
helpful to address further discussions to the person who
has replied, as that helps them keep track of specific
threads of conversation.
Example of bad question: helpfulguy: given that
you seem to know a lot about Linux, tell me how to
install it on 200 servers over 10 different networks, in
simple step-by-step instructions. It should be easy for
you.
Example of good question: What should I start
reading to get an idea of the issues in installing 200
Linux servers over 10 different networks?
- Don't chat if the channel is busy
- Support channels are not for chat, for entertainment.
The tone of discussion is usually dry and impersonal,
about specific technical issues, and in the busier
channels it is already difficult to follow threads.
Avoid idle chat (which is the main purpose of most
other social IRC channels) unless the channel is indeed
idle, and stop it if there if it interferes with help
traffic.
- Do some research before asking a question
- Before asking a question you should have tried to search
for it on your local documentation, or the WWW, or USENET,
with some
search engine
or at the GNU Linux documentation sites, for example
http://WWW.TLDP.org/
and
http://WWW.GNU.org/doc/
.
Locally you can search all manual page by keyword with
man -k
keyword, use the
info
command to look at the table of contents of
manuals of GNU packages, and look at the user manuals and HOWTOs
in per-package directories under /usr/share/doc/
.
To find software packages or other information by specific
topic, use a directory site like
http://WWW.DMOZ.org/
,
http://WWW.LinuxLinks.com/
,
or the software project databases at
http://WWW.FreshMeat.net/
and
http://directory.FSF.org/
;
if your distribution is Debian based, you can use
apt-cache search
keyword
to search the available package list for packages related to
that keyword.
- Ask in the right channel
- There is a
searchable database of channels
for Freenode
and similar networks like
OFTC.
##Linux
is for generic, distribution independent questions, but
usually, questions about booting, package management,
configuration of peripherals are distribution dependent.
Thus there are channels for help specific to various
distributions, for example:
#Ubuntu,
#Kubuntu,
#Fedora,
#RHEL,
#SUSE,
#Mandriva,
#Knoppix,
#Debian,
#Gentoo,
##Slackware.
There are also topic specific but distribution independent
channels, such as
#ALSA (sound drivers),
#Apache,
#aMule,
#ATI (Radeon drivers),
#BASH (CLI/shell),
#GNOME,
#hardware,
#iptables (firewalls),
#KDE,
#Konversation,
#Linux-kernel,
#NVIDIA
(mostly X drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards),
#Web (HTML etc.),
#wireless
(both WiFi and Bluetooth),
#X-Chat,
#XFree86
(older X system),
#Xorg
(newer X system).
and there are many programming language specific
channels too (with the obvious names).
For Mozilla and Firefox the help channel is not on Freenode
and it is, for both of them,
irc://IRC.Mozilla.org/#MozillaZine
.
There is also a nice introduction to
IRC and Linux.
Example of bad question: How to force loading a module at
boot?
Example of good question: Which filesystems are best for
a flash memory stick?
- Use English in most channels
- Most channels are international, and most people can
answer only in English. There are channels for asking questions in
other languages, like Spanish, French, German, and a few others.
Usually these channels have a suffix consisting of an optional
.
or -
followed by the two letter
language code.
The searchable database of channels
can help locating channels in many languages.
Examples of non english language channels:
#Linux-FR,
#SELinux-ES,
#Debian.SE,
#Gentoo.DE.
- Ask questions with some context including the purpose
- The context should includes the distribution you are using,
the kernel version, the program version.
It is often very important also to say what you are trying
to achieve, not just what does not work, because in many cases
what you want to do can be achieved in other and often impler
ways, thus avoiding whatever problem you are experiencing.
Example of a bad question: How can I copy some blocks of
a disk drive over the network?
Example of a good question: How can I backup a partition
to a remote server?
- Wait at least 5-10 minutes for an answer or to repeat a question
- It can take a while for someone to notice your question, or to
stop doing what they are already doing and start typing an
answer. Also, the more narrow the question is, the longer you
should wait. This also means that you should repeat a question only
if you wait at least 5-10 minutes.
Example of a bad question: [16:01] <prema> Where to
find a good introduction to installing a GNU Linux on a
PDA?
[16:03] <prema> nobody is answering, leaving!!!!
Example of a good question: [16:06] <l33t> Which
WiFi devices are recommended for easy installation?
[16:27] <B00t> Easy installation is by chipset, and
consider the Atheros or ZyDAS ones for example